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Speaking of Rage

On the first night that the second half of Dragon Soul opened up on Raid Finder, I was lucky enough to have the [Vishanka, Jaws of the Earth] drop for me. This meant I had access to the best-in-slot ranged weapon pre-progression raiding.

Of course, the purpose of this entry is not to brag. It is to investigate the proc damage that is done by this bow.

Your ranged attacks have a chance to deal 7040/7950/8970 damage over 2 sec.

The tooltip may lead you to believe that this is a static damage caused by the bow. This is, however, not the case because the damage is not physical damage, but magical damage. More specifically, it is fire damage.

It will appear in your combat logs as a buff called [Speaking of Rage].

Yesterday, <Dark Days> overcame the big stumbling block that was Ultraxion, with three healers even. As I’ve been logging (almost) all of our progression fights since the new patch dropped, I was able to get a sense of just how strong this weapon is. According to my combat log from the Ultraxion encounter, which is very static and has no movement involved, Speaking of Rage procced 16 times, accumulating to 160 ticks of fire damage.

This means every proc of Speaking of Rage produces 10 ticks of fire damage in just two seconds. Compare this to three ticks of fire damage per Explosive Shot in two seconds. Of course, the damage is less than than of Explosive Shot, but those are some very fast ticks.

Another detail you may observe is that ticks of Speaking of Rage can make critical hits. During this fight, 33 out of 160 ticks (20 percent) did critical damage to Ultraxion. While this may not be too surprising given previous behavior of the [Flaming Arrow] proc from the two-piece bonus of tier 12 armor, it is information that cannot be derived from the tooltip alone.

The final detail you may observe is that Speaking of Rage is hitting harder than it should in my case. With an average of 891.1 damage per tick, Speaking of Rage does 8911 damage per proc of the bow. Because I have been running Dragon Soul primarily as a Survival hunter, this is leading me to believe that mastery buffs the damage of Speaking of Rage.

So let’s do some mathematics.

With my mastery at 14.38 according to the Armory, it would have increased magical damage by 14.38 percent. Dividing the average damage value by the damage gain will provide me with the average base damage.

8911 ÷ 1.1438 ≈ 7791

This calculated base damage is still above the 7040 advertised by the tooltip, which leads to the conclusion that Speaking of Rage must have a damage range. As I did not have Recount running at the same time of the log, I was not able to determine this range at the time of writing.

However, if Speaking of Rage does indeed scale with Survival mastery as this preliminary data suggests, it could have an interesting implication where the bow can actually do more damage in the hands of a Survival hunter. Given equal gear and skill among three hunters utilizing the three different trees, Vishanka would have the best added value for the Survival hunter.

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11 responses

  1. Just to confirm, the proc from the DW bow has been confirmed in a few different places to be affected by SV mastery. That proc does a lot to help out SV hunters in the current tier.

    Some people are freaking out about the loss of secondary stats on it for MM hunters, but ranged weapons never have much in the way of stats anyway. I’d be surprised it weren’t BiS for us too. I’m less sure if Kiril will be weapon of choice for us or not.

    12 December 2011 at 09:35

    • Thanks for confirming. I figured if anything, this will get the word out for people to start hunting for it immediately. I’m lucky enough to have Kiril as well, but I really have no idea how to test it, and without the other two-handers I can’t really make any conclusive arguments.

      12 December 2011 at 10:09

      • I’d be awfully surprised if Kiril wasn’t BiS for survival, since it’s going to give you some amount of passive agility equivalent. It’s tougher to say for MM, since the secondaries (especially haste) are more important for it.

        12 December 2011 at 18:19

  2. I need this damn weapon…and I need it NAO!

    I actually tried a full reforge for Mastery only. I couldn’t get past 19%, which wasn’t enough to push mastery above haste or crit on the stat weighting. However….procs like this must have some threshold similar to how we had the ArPen threshold during Wrath.

    12 December 2011 at 10:18

    • The ArPen threshhold was when a proc brought you to 100% armor ignore, so I don’t think it’s really equivalent to SV mastery. SV’s mastery simply reads “increases your elemental damage by x%”, so there’s no reason to believe that it has any sort of cap. With a bazillions of mastery rating, there’s no reason you couldn’t be doing 400% extra elemental damage.

      That said, I also don’t see any reason for the math from the beginning of the expansion to have changed, so a ratio of 4:1 or 5:1 crit rating:mastery should still be the ideal. I can’t imagine a compelling reason for SV hunters to shoot for any haste over around 800 rating, just to reach that point where you can fit three cobras between explosive shots. And with gear where it is, it’s probably impossible to go under that point even if you reforge all your haste into crit and mastery. Which means you should probably do that. =)

      12 December 2011 at 18:24

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  4. Deviltrigger

    I finished the last boss in dragon soul LFR and two of the bow dropped! Me and the other hunter were obviously happy :D

    Who do they go to? The warrior who rolled need. Both of them! D:

    Ah well, better luck next time xD

    13 December 2011 at 12:14

    • Blizzard really needs to take off the roll bonus on Vishanka for melee. The proc on it has no use for melee at all. Keep trying!

      13 December 2011 at 17:40

      • Deviltrigger

        Just read on mmo champion that it’s now hunter specific :) hopefully that means they have no chance on rolling it now

        13 December 2011 at 20:02

    • Xplozíve

      Well its a Hunter only Bow… others cannot roll need for it^^

      5 January 2012 at 13:51

      • Deviltrigger

        Yup, now it is, thanks to that patch. Got both weapons from the first lfr i ran after it was implemented. Nice to have lucky sometimes. :D

        5 January 2012 at 20:19

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